readymade ([info]thepessoptimist) wrote,
@ 2007-01-23 18:25:00
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I don't want to eat Dolly the sheep!
Wow. Been a while, hasn't it?

I don't really have anything of interest to write here, other than that I, as a red-meat-eatin', reformed vege-ma-tarian draw the line at eatin' me some cloned critter. And if you're not all, "I love Blade Runner! I want ALL our animals to be clones!", you should tell the FDA you're not interested in eating CC the Cat either.

This is what I wrote:

I am gravely concerned about the use of any genetically altered foodstuff in our groceries, and I remain even more concerned about the possibility of cloned animals entering the food supply.

While there may be little or no discernible difference between a cloned sheep and a regular sheep, the fact is we actually don't know what the differences might be. There simply hasn't been enough time to examine the issue in depth.

And even if the evidence comes up inconclusive or positive, we are forced to ask the question, "What is the benefit of using a clone rather than a natural animal?" Hasn't our knowledge of animal husbandry reached a sophisticated level? Aren't we advanced enough to, through tested breeding practices, create the animals we want to consume?

It is a slippery slope, a trite euphemism but one that is apt here: If we introduce cloned animals, it opens up a whole avenue of dubious ethical practices to the marketplace, ones that inevitably will benefit the business people in charge of R&D, but few of the consumers left with little or no proper information or resources regarding their food supply.

Please do not allow this practice. It is at its root an unnecessary conceit. Remember the maxim: "Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should."

Yours,


Write to them because you love to eat meat that doesn't resemble Aldous Huxley's worst nightmares.



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[info]herewiss13
2007-01-24 04:59 am UTC (link)
It's nice to hear from you again, even if I must respectfully disagree.

A clone is a twin, nothing added, nothing taken away. I don't happen to oppose "frankenfoods" in general, but I understand why some people might. However, that's not even applicable here.

As for why you'd want to, it's called consistency. Once the farmer breeds up an animal to some arbitrary standard of perfection, sophisticated or not, he still has to take that genome and run it through a mix-master called sexual reproduction to get the next generation. The new genome is 50% of the old one, scrambled, plus a scrambled 50% of an entirely different genome.

Sure, you're picking the two best genomes to scramble that you can, but even with modern genetics, that's no iron-clad guarantee of improvement (one set of features from a parent may conflict with some features from the other)...and there _is_ an iron-clad guarantee that the genome _will_ be different. Different in a good way, perhaps, but "Different" is not a commodity the market appreciates all that much.

I'd see your maxim and raise it one rant against "Man was not meant to [fill in the blank]!", which we'll just take as read. ;-) I'd also counter with the saying "Change is good...you go first." which I suspect fuels a lot of similar hesitation in cutting edge fields of technology.

And in the interest of full disclosure, I'll even give you a more concrete objection that appeals to the slippery slope for you to use next time the subject comes up:

The one _potential_ flaw in cloned food is weakened resistance to parasites. That's what sexual reproduction does: it shuffles the cards and resets the lock on the immune system, so that parasites have to evolve in order to keep up. Communities of naturally occuring clones (and you do find some fish, insects and the occasional reptile who exist assexually) _tend_ to have higher parasite loads. I will admit that I'm not completely educated of modern farmyard hygenine, but I would make three guesses.

A) Current farm animals probably aren't even _exposed_ to the same parasite levels as wild animals.

B) Given that it's such a marked feature of cloned populations, I cannot imagine even the most brain-dead of companies not taking extra precautions to keep their own cloned population from suffering from the same condition.

C) Given that cloned meats would have to undergo the same sort of FDA screening "normal" meats do, it's not like those _potential_ parasites would be passed on to the consumer even if they appeared at all.

Anyway, that was an argument that's been fermenting inside of me ever since I had to start asking "what's all the fuss about?" and it's been in search of a clear point of discharge ever since. ;-)

I hope it didn't seem dis-respectful or overwhelming, as that was not the intent; and I do hope your family continues well.

Addendum: think of it this way: cloned meat opens up a new market niche for competition, the same way "organic" produce did. That'll increase consumer choice and create jobs. Win-win! :-P

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[info]thepessoptimist
2007-01-24 05:59 am UTC (link)
Er. I have to sit with that for a minute. Brain, not responding...

While I'm not all edumacated in things genetic, I don't necessarily believe that it's always best to let the marketplace rule, re: niche markets.

Back in the day, a consortium of auto and oil manufacturers bought up and dismantled the Red Car trolley system in LA, paving the way for (although not creating) a highway super-culture in it's stead. Sure, it's what the market allowed, but is LA (and the rest of a car-dependent culture) better off for not having a more stable, viable and culturally integrated public transit system in place? Not being a Libertarian, I'd say that government regulation and subsidies can fill a void that the market ignores. And I'm asking the FDA to regulate what goes into the food supply, market be damned.

As for creating a perfect cloned copy vs. allowing the mix-master of animal reproduction to throw a few wrenches into the works, I can only counter that I don't think enough time has elapsed since the creation of cloned critters for us to knowledgeably judge what the consequences are. Which is one of the arguments in my letter.

I'm perhaps more jaundiced than many about the efficacy of our government, but after many recent drugs being pulled after less than adequate trials, can you honestly say that it's timely for the FDA to also be thinking of approving such a controversial and untested technology for mass consumption by the public at large?

This isn't Fen-Phen. This isn't some medication taken by a select portion of the population for a specific ailment. This is food that will be available to everyone everywhere, except stores that take umbrage.

If I will be allowed a little Devil's advocacy, I'd say that the current kerfuffle about partially hydrogenated fat is a good parallel to make. It's been in the food supply forever, and companies given free license to use it in all manner of food stuff. Was there any proof that it was potentially harmful? Yes. Did the government choose to mandate it's restriction? No.

A half century-plus of hydrogenated fats are now at the center of a major obesity epidemic, complete with all of its attendant health problems: heart disease, diabetes, stroke. People have been eating low-fat diet food that was more harmful than if they sat around eating high-fat bonbons all day.

I'm not speaking to the malignity of cloned critters. I'm saying that we don't know. And that we've got tens of thousands of years of animal husbandry to our twenty years of cloning to compare. I'm speaking to caution, which, in the ideology of marketplace and individualism, is often looked upon with suspicion and derision.

I don't know what the consequences of eating Dolly are. I do know that I don't want to eat her, I don't trust that the FDA has my best interests at heart or that they know what the variables of Dolly-eating are, or that the market provides the answers to these questions in every case.

Phew! It's been a long time since I've formulated any type of articulate response. Ouch. My head hurts.

In the name of public discourse and debate, I say, NO HARD FEELINGS!

Cheers!

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[info]qkellie
2007-01-24 03:04 pm UTC (link)
Wow, it's bee awhile indeed! Hope all is well! Well, aside from the government giving us sci-fi meat, that is. ;)

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[info]thepessoptimist
2007-01-25 04:33 am UTC (link)
Boy, you're not kidding, Jackson! I mean, you're all married and stuff! And I'm, well, I'm older!

Nice to see (?) you again! Hope it doesn't take me another year to check in again...er. Heh.

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[info]qkellie
2007-01-25 01:34 pm UTC (link)
I'm also older! Fancy that!

Don't be such a stranger! There are exciting things going on! I'm not quite sure what they are, but hey, you never know!

Married and now with a "real" job. How insane. I feel like such a grownup.

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[info]jetpack_monkey
2007-01-24 05:31 pm UTC (link)
Soylent green is people.

You were missed.

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[info]thepessoptimist
2007-01-25 04:35 am UTC (link)
No. NOOOOOOOOOOO!

You were missed too! Hope you're doing fabulously fabuloso; we're all just trying to adjust to having a kid in preschool now. And wrinkles.

And eating people. That's a bit tough to get my mind around.

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[info]rebekah788
2008-05-20 12:09 am UTC (link)
Did you read MY LJ?

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